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edith
01-03-2004, 11:15 AM
Rense.com
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Palestinians In Nativity Church
Used Bibles As Toilet Paper
ISpecial To Washington Times
5-15-2


BETHLEHEM, West Bank - The Palestinian gunmen holed up in the Church of the Nativity and later deported by Israel seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry.
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They also guzzled beer, wine and Johnnie Walker scotch that they found in priests' quarters, undeterred by the Islamic ban on drinking alcohol.
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The indulgence lasted for about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests who were trapped inside for the entire ordeal that ended Friday.
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About 30 priests, monks and nuns, and more than 150 Palestinian civilians, who ran inside on April 2 to escape a gunbattle between Israelis and Palestinians, remained inside the church with the armed militants for more than five weeks.
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A church helper, who gave his name as Milad, said the quantity of food consumed by the gunmen in the first 15 days should have lasted for six months.
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As they feasted and boozed, Palestinian civilians subsisted on a meager diet, with barely enough for a single meal a day.
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Conditions improved somewhat for the civilian refuge seekers when the governor of Bethlehem intervened and partially succeeded in reallocating food supplies, priests and others witnesses said.
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Angry Orthodox priests yesterday showed two reporters about 20 empty bottles of whiskey, champagne, vodka, cognac and French wine on a kitchen shelf and on the floor of two rooms.
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"They should be ashamed of themselves. They acted like animals, like greedy monsters. Come, I will show you more," said one priest, who declined to give his name.
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He gestured toward empty bottles of Israeli-brewed Maccabi beer and hundreds of cigarette butts strewn on the floor.
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The priest then took the reporters to see computers taken apart and a television set dismantled for use as a hiding place for weapons.
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"You can see what repayment we got for 'hosting' these so-called guests," said Archbishop Ironius, another cleric, as he showed reporters the main reception hall of the Greek Orthodox Monastery.
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"All the media concentrated on the Franciscan [Catholic] quarter, where little damage was done," the archbishop said. "Why? The Franciscans actually let the gunmen in, then guided the gunmen to our rooms."
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Archbishop Ironius showed onlookers where the militants had broken in to the monks' quarters by smashing locked doors while, he said, the monks were praying downstairs.
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"The Franciscans then blocked their own rooms' doors with iron bars," Archbishop Ironius said.
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The 39-day siege ended Friday under a deal in which 13 Palestinian fighters were sent to exile in Europe and another 26 were sent to Gaza, where they were received as heroes.
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While in the church, the top Palestinian gunmen slept on comfortable beds in the elegant apartment of Father Parathaious, while others rested on mattresses there and elsewhere under high-quality woolen blankets.
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The civilians slept on cold tile floors in the main church downstairs.
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"It's a shame, the mess they made and the way they kept the food. I'm not proud of what they did, even though as a Palestinian I sympathize with their cause of a liberated homeland," said Milad, 15.
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The gunmen belong to the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, part of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization.
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Before Mr. Arafat visited the church yesterday, Palestinian security officials ordered a thorough removal of all debris and a total cleanup.
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But prior to Mr. Arafat's arrival, the reporters were shown the room belonging to Father Vasareillon, where a key Al Aqsa leader, Nabil Abayat, was fatally shot.
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While inviting the reporters inside, the priests refused to allow three young members of Mr. Abayat's extended family into the room, fearing they would insist it became a Muslim shrine to their fallen colleague.
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The scene in the room was grim. Seven gunmen had sheltered there, said another young church helper, and Mr. Abayat had died when a bullet ricocheted off a radiator.
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Pools of his blood had stained the bed on which he had collapsed.
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Priests pointed to numerous bullet holes that appeared to have been fired from inside the room.
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Wine bottles and a Johnny Walker Red Label whisky bottle lay empty on a bedside table with cooked rice splattered on the floor.
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Another top gunman from the militant Abayat clan was fatally shot 10 days ago close to a well that the Palestinians had used to hide their weapons.
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Another four gunmen died during the exchanges of fire and sniping, as well as a mentally retarded bell ringer who, the Israelis say, ran toward soldiers, ignoring orders to stop.
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Several Israeli soldiers were seriously wounded in the exchanges of gunfire during the five-week siege.
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The Orthodox priests and a number of civilians have said the gunmen created a regime of fear.
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"Their word was law," said one civilian, "and they told us civilians who left the church would either be shot by the Israelis or dealt with later by the gunmen's comrades."
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Even in the Roman Catholic areas of the complex there was evidence of disregard for religious norms.
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Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed.
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"Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico.
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"We were told later that they gave them back."
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The gunmen and civilians who emerged on Friday went through metal detectors, revealing no stolen objects.
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http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020515-89391238.htm

Shar
07-21-2004, 09:58 AM
Wouldn't let me post in quotes and since I can't figure out why, I just decided to use Ediths forum..*G*
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Politicians are wonderful people as long as they stay away from things they don't understand, such as working for a living.
-- P. J. ORourke

Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.
-- Ronald Reagan

You can lead a man to Congress, but you can't make him think.
-- Milton Berle

My choice early in life was either to be a piano-player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference.
-- Harry S. Truman (circa 1962)

Snowden
07-21-2004, 03:40 PM
What fun! I must get in on this.

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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president," -- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents.

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"That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it," -- A congressional candidate in Texas.

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"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves." -- John Wayne

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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Al Gore, Vice President

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"I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." -- Dan Quayle

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" It's no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another" -- George Bush, US President

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"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?" -- Lee Iacocca

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"I was provided with additional input that was radically different from the truth. I assisted in furthering that version," -- Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony.

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"The word 'genius' isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein," -- Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.

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"We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people." -- Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor.

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"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Bill Clinton, President

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We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." -- Al Gore, VP

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"Traditionally, most of Australia's imports come from overseas." -- Keppel Enderbery

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"Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances." -- Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina

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"If somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as they go to bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night. And the next morning, when they wake up dead, there'll be a record." -- Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman

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“If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires.” – George Bush

Shar
07-22-2004, 10:47 AM
GOOD ONES SNOWDEN..*:)

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." (George Benard Shaw)

"An ambassador is a person who, having failed to secure an office from the people, is given one by the Administration on condition that he leave the country."
(Ambrose Bierce)

"I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally."
(WC Fields.)

"We live in an age when pizza gets to your home before the police."
(Jeff Marder.)

"I'm desperately trying to figure out why kamikaze pilots wore helmets."
Dave Edison.

*Marriage is when a man and woman become as one; the trouble starts when they try to decide which one. (Anonymous)

*Marriages are made in heaven. But so again, are thunder and lightning. (Anonymous)

edith
07-23-2004, 08:01 AM
[i]Originally posted by Shar Wouldn't let me post in quotes and since I can't figure out why, I just decided to use Ediths forum..*G*
That's ok, Shar. No one ever stays on topic in here anyway. :p •VBG*

Shar
07-27-2004, 06:15 AM
Hey Edith, how about this one? Cause, I sure find it INTERESTING..*G* Seems to me this separation of church and state has been taken to the point where it is not recognized the way it was written into the constitution. Church leaders have allowed that phrase to carry them to the point of ignoring basic beliefs and compromised to the point of "stupidity". I found this column written July 6, 2004 and it seems to explain quite a bit of the confusion and the actions of many church leaders.

By Brent Bozell

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Father Francis de Rosa of the diocese of Arlington (Virginia) puts the matter of Holy Communion in its proper perspective for Catholics. “Basing itself upon the very words and doctrines of the Lord Himself, the Catholic Church teaches and believes that the elements of Holy Communion are really, truly and substantially the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ… We are not dealing here with a mere symbol, but with a sacred reality – a profound moment of intimacy with God Himself. Therefore it should go without saying that the Holy Eucharist cannot be indiscriminately distributed.”

The Catholic Church teaches that a primary requisite for receiving Holy Communion is that the individual be “in communion” with the Church; anyone not embracing the core teachings of the Church is disqualified from participating. What is the Church’s position on abortion? Father de Rosa quotes the words of Pope John Paul II constituting the infallible teaching of the ordinary magisterium of the Catholic Church: “I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.”
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This just happened to be a quote by Father de Rosa, but many other denominational leaders need to be as brave as he and stop compromising and/or giving in and changing the word of God. The entire article posted below

http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/newscolumn/2004/col20040706.asp

Angelus
02-20-2005, 04:22 PM
Here's another couple of good quotes see if these can get a response.


"Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty."

"The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us"

"What this country needs are more unemployed politicians."-- Edward Langley

"Do not confuse what you hear with what I mean."

"Worldliness is what any particular culture does to make sin look normal and righteousness look strange."--David Wells

"People who insult others are jerks."

"I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it?"

Quotes from Women

"I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once."-- Jennifer Unlimited

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning."-- Catherine Aird

"I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb ... and I'm also not blonde."-- Dolly Parton

"If high heels were so wonderful, men would still be wearing them."-- Sue Grafton

"A male gynaecologist is like an auto mechanic who never owned a car." -- Carrie Snow

"You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive."

"Clones are people two."

"If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there to hear it, is he still wrong?"

"No one ever says "It's only a game," when their team is winning."

POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED REGULARLY, for the same reason.

She's got a great looking husband, a little boy and all the money in the world. She hasn't got the looks, but you can't have everything.-- Jordan (on Victoria Beckham, Posh Spice)

I once shook hands with Pat Boone and my whole right side sobered up. -- Dean Martin

Joan Collins unfortunately can't be with us tonight. She's busy attending the birth of her next husband. -- John Parrott


"It's not the men in my life that count -- it's the life in my men." - Mae West (1892-1980)

Angelus

Snowden
02-21-2005, 09:17 AM
Angelus, it's so good to have you back here. I didn't come with quotes today - just to welcome you home! You've been greatly missed.

There is something special about Overfifties - but the lack of being able to communicate with the staff at all is very discouraging. If you manage to contact anyone on staff, please give them my regards.

Meantime, they do seem to drop in from time to time - as still have this place to meet, so I know there is somebody involved besides the few of us who appear now.

If you can get some friends to join, that would be appreciated, I'm sure!!

Angelus
02-21-2005, 10:05 AM
Thanks Snowden. As you know I have been very busy over the past year. But just after the holiday break I decided that I need some quality time. In years gone by, a lot of my quality time was spent here. You'll remember we spent most of our free time in the Overfifties. We even took our holidays here on our fantasy cruises. LOL LOL

I would dearly love to see some of that comaraderie return.

It will also take new members to stay with us. Being over the fifty mark membership means that a few of us must move on ....................to the over Sixties. What were you thinking, that's morbid. LOL LOL

Keep popping in.

Angelus