Muslims want sharia law in Britain

[BobK]

PJ are you going to atttend the rally and help support Islam4UK ?




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ain-claim.html

By Alastair Jamieson
Published: 11:03AM BST 15 Oct 2009

'Muslims want sharia law in Britain'

Radical Muslim group Islam4UK has launched a campaign to impose sharia law on Britain, starting with a rally in London, according to a report.

Members of the organisation have Muslims from all over Britain to meet in the capital on October 31 for a procession to demand the full implementation of sharia law.

The demonstration will start at the House of Commons and will then converge on Trafalgar Square.

[Joyous]

Perhaps PJ will think this too is "Some nut job", right PJ?

[*sophia*]

lol...touche
never saw that in you before, joyous

[PJ]

Bob, Miss Joyous, I have no more time for Islamic extremists than I have for right wing radicals. God knows America has produced more than it,s fair share of them. America is the "home" of more religious sect,s and cults than any nation on earth, do,es that answer your question?

[PJ]

Incidentally, they do not want to "impose" sharia law at all, it would not affect non Muslims. They have as much chance of getting that as a cat in hell. but they have the right to make their point even if the vast majority don,t agree with them.

[TobyR]

I agree with Pj,

Sharia is a now a familiar term to Muslims and non-Muslims. It can often be heard in news stories about politics, crime, feminism, terrorism and civilisation.

All aspects of a Muslim's life are governed by Sharia. Sharia law comes from a combination of sources including the Qur'an (the Muslim holy book), the Hadith (sayings and conduct of the prophet Muhammad) and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars).

Many people, including Muslims, misunderstand Sharia. It's often associated with the amputation of limbs, death by stoning, lashes and other medieval punishments. Because of this, it is sometimes thought of as draconian. Some people in the West view Sharia as archaic and unfair social ideas that are imposed upon people who live in Sharia-controlled countires.

Many Muslims, however, hold a different view. In the Islamic tradition Sharia is seen as something that nurtures humanity. They see the Sharia not in the light of something primitive but as something divinely revealed. In a society where social problems are endemic, Sharia frees humanity to realise its individual potential.

[PJ]

Have just read your attachment, I stand corrected, but it is only a minute number of Muslims involved. Incidentally, right wing republicans are free to protest outside of the houses of Parliament if they so desire.....

[OneSG]

Originally Posted by TobyR

Many people, including Muslims, misunderstand Sharia. It's often associated with the amputation of limbs, death by stoning, lashes and other medieval punishments. Because of this, it is sometimes thought of as draconian. Some people in the West view Sharia as archaic and unfair social ideas that are imposed upon people who live in Sharia-controlled countires.

Many Muslims, however, hold a different view. In the Islamic tradition Sharia is seen as something that nurtures humanity. They see the Sharia not in the light of something primitive but as something divinely revealed. In a society where social problems are endemic, Sharia frees humanity to realise its individual potential.

Phew, that’s a relief. We had better change the system which we have had all these centuries that has suited us all of this time and have some of that then. We really need to curry favour with the immigrants who are fast taking over.

[BobK]

In Texas a Muslim shot one of his daughters 6 times in the back, his other daughter 2 times in the chest. They both died.

A few days ago in Arizona a muslim ran over his daughter because she was becoming to westernized. She died.

It wasn't reported if they were following Sharia law or what part of the religion they believed made it OK for them to kill their children.

Both instances were described as honor killings. I don't think I like any religion that frees humanity to realise its individual potential. Daughters wind up dead with no potential.

[Cuz]

I note the last line of Bob's URL - conveniently omitted of course

" A spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain told the newspaper: “99.999 per cent of Muslims despise these people. This only serves to fuel racial-tensions.”

Nevertheless, if this tiny minority want to demonstrate to voice their beliefs, well, jolly good luck to them.
No different to a Billy Graham Crusade or a Jehovah's Witless Convention.
Of course the danger is that hate-fueled, fear-driven "christians" will take violent action against them.


Now Bob, even IF those atrocities in Texas and Arizona are true (I note that you provide no evidence),
you reckon we couldn't trot out ten times as many such incidents perpetrated by "christian" religious nuts ?

[BobK]

Fun to read about the effects a center left political party can have on the financial & internal operations in a country. The impact on already-stretched school resources, the health care system and their pay for doing nothing entitlement programs must represent a thrilling success for the liberal's in the UK. As for Muslims only people living in the U K can really speak about the impact they are having.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-schools.html


English-speaking pupils now the minority in 1,500 British schools
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:34 AM on 12th April 2010

The statistics released by the Department for Children, Schools and Families show that in 1997, the year Labour came to power, half the pupils in 866 schools spoke English as a second language.

By last year, this figure had jumped to1,545 - a rise of 78 per cent. It means that more than half the pupils in 1,284 primary schools, 210 secondary schools and 51 special schools across England now come from a non-English speaking background.

Around one in seven - almost 500,000 --primary pupils and just over one in ten, or 364,000, secondary students do not speak English as their first language.

Critics said last night that the figures were another sign of the impact of Labour's open door on immigration and that they risked hampering integration.

They also claimed that the data has serious implications for already-stretched school resources.

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Not recent numbers but more likely than not this has some impact on the most recent info about schools.

From The Times January 30, 2009

Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece

[Auntie Freda]

SO ... an increased percentage of kids in Pommie schools speak English as their SECOND language.
So what ?!
Being bi-lingual is a BAD thing ?

And Muslims are out-breeding non-Muslims ?
So what ?
Radical fundamentalist terrorist Muslims are a tiny tiny minority.
Racist exploitation and state SANCTIONED militarism and intimidation have been official government POLICY in certain WESTERN nations.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

SO ... an increased percentage of kids in Pommie schools speak English as their SECOND language.
So what ?!
Being bi-lingual is a BAD thing ?.

Nothing wrong with being bi-lingual. The problem you conviently left out is when it impacts the cost to educate. In the U K that is what is happening.

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

And Muslims are out-breeding non-Muslims ?
So what ?
Radical fundamentalist terrorist Muslims are a tiny tiny minority.
Racist exploitation and state SANCTIONED militarism and intimidation have been official government POLICY in certain WESTERN nations.

Like you my ego gets stroked when I know my charitable donations & tax money are being spent to help unfortunate people. Where we differ is you continue to seek that ego stroking by ignoring the fact that there are people that use that same generosity to scam the system.

Just like in America the media in the U K has opinions. And just like you I look for what I think reflects a picture of what is happening. This is a reflection of what I've found in media from the U K. I'm beginning to understand SOI's explanation of why you post as you do.


On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim communities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation. A report last year by the Left-wing Institute for Public Policy Research found that fewer than half of adults from four of the biggest Muslim groups here – Somalis, Bangla*deshis, Turks and Pakistanis – are in employment.And because of the high number of children in their families they also tend to be heavy users of expensive public services such as the NHS.On a wider cultural basis, the impact of Islam on this country is also strongly negative in the eyes of the public.

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UNEMPLOYED scrounger Mohammed Salim is getting the state to pay for him, his wife and their ELEVEN kids-because he can't be bothered to go to work. He quit his £27,000 job teaching maths and science three years ago and is BETTER OFF claiming £29,096 a year in benefits.He has much more time to devote to his Islamic political party- which ATTACKS the British government, even though this country gives his family their food, clothes and house for free.Mohammed is also busy planning his TWELFTH baby with wife Noreen, 35, but has no plans to get a job.

[Auntie Freda]

Originally Posted by BobK

Nothing wrong with being bi-lingual.
The problem you conviently left out is when it impacts the cost to educate.
In the U K that is what is happening.

Why does it cost more to educate a kid who speaks English AND another language than one who speaks English ONLY ?




I can make no sense of the balance of your post. It does not seem to relate in any way to what I said.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

Why does it cost more to educate a kid who speaks English AND another language than one who speaks English ONLY ?.

Public education paid for by taxes means just what it says. A child that shows up to be educated and doesn't speak english will need to be taught english. Hince english as the 2nd. language. You probably thought they showed up already bi-lingual. The cost to make that happen naturally takes more funding. The influx of Muslims, the large family as the welfare receipient shows with 11 kids & planning another isn't unusual. The more that don't speak english the greater the cost. That concept should be easy enough to understand.

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

I can make no sense of the balance of your post. It does not seem to relate in any way to what I said.

The separate parts of my last post that you don't understand. Articles in the media in the U K spell out the increase in demand for welfare, health care, & education needs are not making all native english residents happy.

From my previous post one article from a newspaper in the U K begins with.

quote
On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative.

the other article is more explanatory and begins with.

quote
UNEMPLOYED scrounger Mohammed Salim is getting the state to pay for him, his wife and their ELEVEN kids-because he can't be bothered to go to work.

Where you live you most likely would not have any impact from immigration like they are experiencing in the U K. But that doesn't mean muslims in Australia aren't thinking about what their ability to influence elections can mean. This web site should be easy enough to understand
http://www.hizb-australia.org/global...slam-and-unity
Notice this is 2010 and the concern is the elections in May in the UK.

Just as what happens in America can affect the world economy so can what happens in other places affect America.

[Auntie Freda]

Originally Posted by BobK

The statistics released by the Department for Children, Schools and Families show that in 1997, the year Labour came to power, half the pupils in 866 schools SPOKE ENGLISH as a SECOND language .......

Make up your mind, Bob.
Your very own source says that they already SPOKE ENGLISH - as a SECOND language !

Will you now try to trot out some other source to DISPROVE your first source ?



God, you're a barrel of laughs.

[PJ]

Ain,t he just!

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

Make up your mind, Bob.
Your very own source says that they already SPOKE ENGLISH - as a SECOND language !

Will you now try to trot out some other source to DISPROVE your first source ?



God, you're a barrel of laughs.

Don't they teach reading comprehension in Australia & the U K? You know the part where your read the entire input and then comment on the entire supplied info.

By last year, this figure had jumped to1,545 - a rise of 78 per cent. It means that more than half the pupils in 1,284 primary schools, 210 secondary schools and 51 special schools across England now come from a NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING BACKGROUND.

Around one in seven - almost 500,000 --primary pupils and just over one in ten, or 364,000, secondary students DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.

The above comes from the same souce Auntie picked as his brilliant observation. I've capitalized the parts you both aren't able to grasp as relevant.

[Auntie Freda]

Oh for godsake.

What does it matter if English is their first language or their TENTH ?

As long as they speak it, no additional educational costs are incurred.
In YOUR case however, the burden on the poor old taxpayer would be ENORMOUS.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Auntie Freda

Oh for godsake.

What does it matter if English is their first language or their TENTH ?

As long as they speak it, no additional educational costs are incurred.
In YOUR case however, the burden on the poor old taxpayer would be ENORMOUS.

Since you have all the answers.

1.How do non english speaking children learn to speak english?

2. Are all the teachers in the U K bi-lingual so as you put it no additional educational costs are incurred.

3. Along with verbal communication is there zero cost involved in translating text ?

To keep this easy for your we'll leave out dietary needs that schools recognize for all religions.

[PJ]

Bob seems to be under some sort of impression that this language "thing" is only confined to the U.k when it,s happening all over western Europe, there are some schools,not many, but some depending on location, that have as many as 20 different languages. I see that earlier you claim that "research" shows that Muslims have a high rate of dependency on welfare, not so, many chemists /pharmacy here are Muslim many corner shops, selling alcohol/ newspapers are Muslim all the Indian restaurants, and we have thousands of them are all Muslim, so once again your sources of information are deeply flawed.

[skxyx101]

Bob is worried about the cost of British schools? Seems everything boils down to money with him.

[skxyx101]

Sharia law in Britain? I suggest Brits worry more about the direction their government takes.

"London
Hoping to deliver a killing blow to the ruling Labour Party in the UK’s tight election race, would-be Prime Minister David Cameron unveiled Tuesday a Conservative Party platform that promised voters smaller government, lower taxes, and more of a say in government affairs."

If you're a minority or someone that works for a living in the UK you'd better watch your butts. I suggest you take a look at what conservatism has done for the U.S. minorities and working people.

Who Rules America? Professor William Domhoff, Sociology Dept., University of California, Santa Cruz
"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%."

In the U.S., if the so called upper class get their way, that is to repeal inheritance taxes and capital gains taxes coupled with the supreme court FEC v Citizens United decision, they will have establish a new permanent feudal hierarchy.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by skxyx101

Bob is worried about the cost of British schools? Seems everything boils down to money with him.

How did looking at the cost to educate non english speaking children turn into worry? You sure have an odd way of looking at what is written.

As for money, for some reason you are still working. Are you gettng paid "money" or are you there for the fun of it?

I'd like to encourage you to keep working, the Obama administration took over a deficit run up by Pres. Bush and has managed to "as has been reported quadrupled it". The taxes you pay as an employee will help pay those that depend on gov. You should be proud at your age to contribute to what you believe in.

Meanwhile I'm contributing to a lesser degree by the taxes we pay on planning a well funded retirement. Then again maybe not since I don't know what your yearly take home is.

[skxyx101]

Originally Posted by BobK

Public education paid for by taxes means just what it says. A child that shows up to be educated and doesn't speak english will need to be taught english. Hince english as the 2nd. language. You probably thought they showed up already bi-lingual. The cost to make that happen naturally takes more funding. The influx of Muslims, the large family as the welfare receipient shows with 11 kids & planning another isn't unusual. The more that don't speak english the greater the cost. That concept should be easy enough to understand.




The separate parts of my last post that you don't understand. Articles in the media in the U K spell out the increase in demand for welfare, health care, & education needs are not making all native english residents happy.

From my previous post one article from a newspaper in the U K begins with.

quote
On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative.

the other article is more explanatory and begins with.

quote
UNEMPLOYED scrounger Mohammed Salim is getting the state to pay for him, his wife and their ELEVEN kids-because he can't be bothered to go to work.

Where you live you most likely would not have any impact from immigration like they are experiencing in the U K. But that doesn't mean muslims in Australia aren't thinking about what their ability to influence elections can mean. This web site should be easy enough to understand
http://www.hizb-australia.org/global...slam-and-unity
Notice this is 2010 and the concern is the elections in May in the UK.

Just as what happens in America can affect the world economy so can what happens in other places affect America.

Bob can't seem to remember his own posts, I translate the above post as him expressing his concern about the
the UK economy. I believe the statement "On an economic level" refers to finances, ergo, money. But I continue to wonder why he's so interested in my financial situation.
I also wonder where he got the idea that President Obama had quadrupled the bush deficit, perhaps faux news.
All one has to do is to peruse Glenngary's blog and note Bob's wholehearted support for those crazy ravings to get an idea of Bob's mentality.
The current economic situation in the U.S. is clear evidence that conservative policies are a dismal failure. In the last thirty years the U.S. has gone from being the largest creditor nation in the world to being the largest debtor nation in the world. The burden of that debt should be shifted from working Americans to those that have profited from conservative policies, the Koch brothers, R. M. Scaife, the Walton family, etc.
Exxon corporation made over 40 billion in profits last year and paid no income tax whatsoever. Working Americans, those that put in 40 hours a week all have to pay income taxes. What's wrong with this picture?
I urge all British citizens to reject the conservative party and their platform of lower taxes and less government. In conservative lingo, lower taxes mean lower taxes for the rich and less government means less services for the poor and working classes.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by skxyx101

Bob can't seem to remember his own posts, I translate the above post as him expressing his concern about the
the UK economy. I believe the statement "On an economic level" refers to finances, ergo, money. But I continue to wonder why he's so interested in my financial situation.
I also wonder where he got the idea that President Obama had quadrupled the bush deficit, perhaps faux news.
All one has to do is to peruse Glenngary's blog and note Bob's wholehearted support for those crazy ravings to get an idea of Bob's mentality.
The current economic situation in the U.S. is clear evidence that conservative policies are a dismal failure. In the last thirty years the U.S. has gone from being the largest creditor nation in the world to being the largest debtor nation in the world. The burden of that debt should be shifted from working Americans to those that have profited from conservative policies, the Koch brothers, R. M. Scaife, the Walton family, etc.
Exxon corporation made over 40 billion in profits last year and paid no income tax whatsoever. Working Americans, those that put in 40 hours a week all have to pay income taxes. What's wrong with this picture?
I urge all British citizens to reject the conservative party and their platform of lower taxes and less government. In conservative lingo, lower taxes mean lower taxes for the rich and less government means less services for the poor and working classes.

I'm trying to decide which word fits your post best; prolix or rambling.I'm leaning more towards rambling.

Maybe you could point out the positive aspects of how the impact the increase in immigration has had on improving the economy in the U K. That should be interesting if you can manage a coherent reply

[PJ]

As we all know,Skx, "Boy Bob" is very selective when it comes to amnesia, as i said many blogs ago, when it comes to being slippery he could teach eel,s a thing or two!

[BobK]

Originally Posted by PJ

As we all know,Skx, "Boy Bob" is very selective when it comes to amnesia, as i said many blogs ago, when it comes to being slippery he could teach eel,s a thing or two!

You trying to help sxyx101 is a really nice gesture. Since you live in the U K you probably have all kinds of info with quantitative proof of just the opposite of what your media is reporting.

If you don't have info contrary to the media reports, then I find it difficult to buy into what IMO is your opinion that the U K is doing well in deficit control.

Actually I think more along the lines that your Labour Party thought allowing poorly to uneducated cheap labor to immigrate to the U K would boost the economy. If you have never lived in a community of immigrants then you wouldn't understand their ability to help each other milk the system for all the freebies they can get.

Most liberals live in the fanatsy world that government can solve all lifes problems. All government has to do is take away pride and personal responsibilty, get entitlements established to control the population and the politicians will remain in power forever. And liberals buy into that hook line & sinker.

[skxyx101]

I think the media reports Bob refers to are Glenngary's racist blog posts. What Bob is unable to comprehend is that almost all Americans are descended from poor uneducated immigrants.

[Cuz]

I wish this Glenngary character had the gonads to post his paranoid crud here in the open Forum.

God knows, there are few enough active in OVerfifties now that dividing stuff between Blogs and Discussions is just plain silly.

I for one, am not interested in seeking out one individual's "blog".
Post your Deep and Meaninfuls in here where everyone can participate freely.