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05-10-2009, 05:57 AM
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11-02-2009, 02:26 PM
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11-02-2009, 02:37 PM
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So true Oth
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11-02-2009, 02:59 PM
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Unless one has misspelled a word there really is no need for an edit button.
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#9
11-02-2009, 03:05 PM
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We are currently in the 4th cycle recorded by the Maya. It started in 3114B.C. and lasts for 5126 years until 2012. With the end of the 4th cycle comes... the beginning of the 5th cycle. The Maya believe that in the 5th cycle the ancient wisdom of the Maya will be rediscovered by the world and it will be a new dawn for mankind!
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11-02-2009, 07:38 PM
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What a wonderful performance by Bette...!
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11-02-2009, 07:41 PM
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Well let's all hope the Maya are right!
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11-03-2009, 09:02 AM
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OK, here is the latest from the Mayan Elder, Apolinario Chile Pixturn, regarding 2012!
MEXICO CITY -- Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world. Or is it? Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder from Guatemala insists. "I came back from England last year, and man, they had me fed up with this stuff." It can only get worse for him. Next month, Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House. A significant time period for the Mayas does end around the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years. But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?" Chile Pixtun says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan, ideas. And this latest one may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades -- the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis. One of them is Monument Six. Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive. The remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation. However -- shades of Indiana Jones here -- erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible. Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky." Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012, including one that roughly translates into the year 4772. The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy. Its Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012. "It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily. They're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six." If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off. But some say the Maya knew another secret: The Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon. That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets. Another spooky coincidence? "The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth. "They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said. As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of. Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity -- a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there is evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu." While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up." Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift." "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe," a narrator intones. The idea apparently originates with a 19th-century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts. Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012. While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya
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11-03-2009, 04:48 PM
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Oh hang on, I get it, nobody else counts. However, if it DID happen that way, why would that mean the "collapse of civilization" ? Some might argue that the opposite might be true. What a load of superstitious religious nonsense. Anyone remember all the dire Y2K predictions ?
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#16
11-03-2009, 05:34 PM
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Cuz/Auntie Freda/Fred, please I will not take the "bait" LOL... I only relay what was written! If you want to turn the article into one of your anti-Yank bashing, so be it, nothing can stop you from speaking your mind! Speaking of your "mind", I would hope this article would only increase the intelligence of the reader, but well maybe not all, Cuz.....
Be Well Fred and be NICE!!!! now that is nonsense!!!..... Sweets Last edited by sweet50plus : 11-04-2009 at 10:33 AM.
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#17
11-04-2009, 09:49 AM
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Rather than be happy about the demise of people all over the world I looked at the potential impact. Particularly the impact of food shortage.
I took the info about 2012 & the part about how the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity -- a collapse of civilization differantly. I'm fairly certain the major concern was for the entire world and the loss of ability to generate the amount of food was the real essence of that part of the article. Recently North America has lost some of the capability to produce as it did but over all food shortages would be dramatically affected and civilization as we know it would be affected. If a catastrophe were to occur I would expect Australia to be even more helpful than it already is in feeding the world. I have confidence in the good in the Australian people even though there are some in Australia that manage to wish ill will on the world. ************************* Of all the changes in the pattern of world grain trade between the late 1930s and 1966, the change in the position of North America was most pronounced. As shown by the table on the next page, net grain exports increased from five million tons to sixty million tons, providing in 1966 some 85 percent of the combined grain exports of the net exporting regions. Australia has substantially increased its exports, but its share of the total has remained at about 12 percent. North America has clearly emerged as the breadbasket of the world. http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...an-breadbasket Last edited by BobK : 11-04-2009 at 10:38 AM.
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#18
11-05-2009, 04:35 PM
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http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/art...n-and-hay.html October 31, 2008 THE International Grains Council forecast 2008-09 world grain output at 1.77 BILLION metric tons ..... Export is only a tiny part of the story, mate. For a couple of billion Asians, the principal food grain is RICE. How much rice does the U.S. export ? Sorry old son, if the USA sank to the bottom of the briny tomorrow, the rest of the world's food supply would scarcely be affected.
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11-05-2009, 08:11 PM
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The most recent I found that shows North America grain production is from 2007. I doubt that a whole lot has changed since then. http://nue.okstate.edu/crop_informat...production.htm Now pay close attention.. Go back & read what I wrote. Then read this one carefully. I understand you don't care for America or as you put it. Quote:
But the article was about NORTH AMERICA not only the USA. I wrote using the article as the referance.My post was addressing the article that stated NORTH AMERICA. Look up what NORTH AMERICA is comprised of and you will see that grain production such as corn, wheat, rice & soybean are produced in NORTH AMERICA. As the article points out that overall loss would affect others in our world. The web site shows world production and does include in the last part about the production in America but isn't solely devoted to the USA.
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11-06-2009, 01:00 PM
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Yes, I take your point about North America comprising more than just the USA.
HOWEVER - when I look at YOUR chart and add Canada, the USA and Mexico TOGETHER - it still doesn't appear to comprise a huge percentage of the world totals. And when one allows for how much of that produce is for domestic consumption, I still question just how big an impact it would make to the world if North America mystically evaporated. Last edited by Cuz : 11-06-2009 at 01:10 PM.
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11-06-2009, 03:01 PM
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You have your view I have mine. What wasn't really spelled out in the Mayan 2012 article was why pole shifting would only affect North America. Seems to me the northern hemisphere would have been the more logical choice of wording. But for whatever reason the article author lmited his comment to North America. The chart while not from 2009 does show most of the countries comprising North America to be very near the top in various grain supplies. If animals that are fed from those grains are factored into the bigger picture of food supply, then IMO the world would experience hunger.
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11-06-2009, 03:34 PM
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To discover how much impact it would have on the WORLD'S food supply if the North American continent fell off the globe ... add up how much Canada, the U.S. and Mexico EXPORT each year, then deduct whatever they IMPORT like a zillion tons of rice. The DIFFERENCE is clearly their NET contribution to the world's grain supply. Everything else is used domedstically either as food for humans or cattle or for ethanol or whatever. SO .. if North America produces, say 100m tons of grain, consumes (one way or the other) 80m tons but imports 10m tons of rice, it has contributed only 10m tons elsewhere. No biggie. The world would hardly notice.
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11-06-2009, 09:12 PM
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A simplistic explanation that could just as easily be projected the other way. If No. America produces say 100m tons of grain & consumes 10 tons the export then becomes 90 tons. A loss of 90 tons of grain would be felt by those that need the grain.
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#24
11-09-2009, 07:53 AM
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Ya'll are over-thinking this. Of course, when the US suffers a setback such as the recent recession, it ricochets around the globe and affects almost every nation as we have observed. Forget all your statistics....it's an obvious fact that the US is a major consumer and when we feel it's time to tighten our purse strings then we have less of a need for importation. Other nations can produce all they want but if the US isn't buying then....ouch....less money in their pockets. Plain and simple.
Here's another "IS" question: IS this fun to watch or what???!!! Click on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRo0iCvoYE Last edited by *sophia* : 11-09-2009 at 08:19 AM.
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11-14-2009, 07:31 AM
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The only hope for the future U.S. economy is for a major reinvestment in production of finished consumer goods made in the U.S. Currently our major exports not counting farm products consist of military hardware. Beginning during the Reagan administration the U.S. has moved from the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world. That was the result of giving manufactorers tax breaks when they moved production off shore to take advantage of lower paid workers. In the short term the corporations saw a benefit from taking advantage of cheaper labor but in the longer term they'll suffer just as have our working men and women.
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#26
11-14-2009, 01:25 PM
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How does what you wrote have anything to do with why such a massive galactic event should impact only on North America ?
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11-15-2009, 10:19 AM
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The part of this thread relating to grain production began with how the world would be affected if North America suffered negative effects from the prediction of calamity in 2012. Cuz & I had our differant thoughts about what the effect would be. Neither he nor I spent any intense time with facts we just winged it with opinions & hypotheticals . I don't think Cuz or I were serious about this as a subject; so when you input what looked like a serious thought I asked what it had to do with a massive galactic event. That galatic event being the 2012 prediction.
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